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Very much like not being seen. Cape Town is not a very big community on basketball. So it's mostly just like local loops or playing at outside courts. And me at the time, being a kid, you don't know what's happening in the basket community. But then later on, I started moving around, traveling, playing more with these guys. I discovered more players, discovered more coaches. And I met my coach from Pride. And he actually, he was like, you know what? I feel like.

You want to go places or just keep working hard? Yeah, so that belief and also what almost had me fall out of love is to say not being seen playing, facing so much time and money going traveling up and down for the game, but like nothing is happening, there's no fun activity, nothing big happening. Yeah, but eventually, when things are moving and it's competitions, tournaments, then that got me back into it. Yeah. Well, I must thank you both for giving us your time this morning. It is a big weekend for both of you personally, but also a big weekend for your team. So all the big