› And for me, look, if you go to the explanation at the TRC, the basis of what was torture, they will tell you that in about eight, three, or four, you break. Right? So they had mechanisms. Some there would be shock, some there would be a cover off the head or both or anything. But their intention was that in two, three days, because remember, they had to break his.
› And release you so that you are not suspected on the other side. And you, you, so. Such an important point because sometimes we treat those who were turned as if they made a conscious decision. Exactly, my point. That's where I want to go. Sure. That's where I want to go to. It's so unfair for me and you sitting in a couch to say a person was put under electrical shock, had a choice and just willy-nilly as if she's going to.
› Enjoy a nice meal, said I'm gonna sell out. If there are those cases, they really will be minimal. They withstood torture, extreme torture. They were broken physically, but emotionally and spiritually, because you had to break what they believe in and make them to work against their own. They will tell you, even those who have spoken, who have accepted, who have gone to the TRC.
› Of today in Noctula's door. They are broken. They don't want to. Those who are police themselves, who have never even interfered in anything of the ANC, but who were part of torturing Noctula, be daling any and everything, they are not proud of what they've done. So who are we really to sit and say, whatever you tried to survive? I often say to her comrades that the
› Also, forgive themselves for what they've done or not, couldn't done act or in action. Because it was on the basis of what was available and possible. Under the circumstance, all of us are not under now. So, I easily for me, I would have accepted it. And I know my father would have accepted an explanation which comes to say, Hey, I was under pressure, and this is what happened.