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Oh, Tandy, listen, this is all I can say. I mean, I couldn't have put it better, even if I wished to. Thank you so much for your call, Tandy. Great contribution there, Tandy in Bramfontein. It really is. Our government has continued to show a middle finger to black people, particularly the victims of about 8 atrocities. I remember even when F.W. de Klerk died, and

Following day, we were doing the open line, and obviously, people were getting around: ooh, what do we do? What do we say? And for me, I remember saying this is a man who failed to fully recognize the devastation and the full impact of apartheid on black South Africans. It's a man who failed to take accountability and tell the truth about even the death squad operations, the murders, and the torture that were authorized and carried out under his leadership. Remember what the TRC found?

About the State Security Council. It was responsible for planning operations that constituted a systematic pattern of abuse. It also provided support to the paramilitary groups, and they knew what they were doing, that it was unlawful. And yet, the man who was the head of the Security Council of that Security Council claimed ignorance and didn't want to take accountability. But we still celebrated, right? Oh, let's give him the Nobel Peace Prize. Yes.

Oh, what a peaceful man who handed over power. No. What an evil man who presided over a system for long that dehumanized black people. That's a man who refused to even agree that a birthday is a crime against humanity. I mean, did that demonstrate a leader who understood the evil regime he presided over? Even when he failed to take accountability at the

The TRC, the first process of healing and justice for this country. Did that demonstrate a leader who was interested in the project of reconciliation? And what did he do post-1994? I'm also interested, even with Eugene de Kock, after he came out of prison, what did he do to demonstrate that he acknowledged the full extent of the damage caused by a barth 8? Did he have a foundation? Even F.W. de Klerk, do you know anything about the work of his foundation? What does his foundation do?

Do? Does it get involved with, I don't know, helping families of the victims of apartheid crimes? And I think that's why we are stuck where we are as a country. There's almost this invisible pain that exists across because we've never really dealt with the trauma. We've never really seen accountability for such a ruthless, murderous regime. We've never, we were quick to go.

We accept the apology. By the way, the apology that was not really even given. But we were like, okay, no, it's okay. It's okay. We accept the apology. Let's move on. And I'm not suggesting that there should have been a revolution or that there should have been revenge. No, that's not what I'm suggesting. In fact, I'm happy to live in a country that has democracy. I'm maybe to live in a constitutional democracy where it doesn't care, it doesn't matter the color of your skin. We're all equal. But I think that there must still be.