SAfm, Friday morning

Supporting Benny for tonight. Got you. Got you. Okay, here is the thing: I have a privilege when it comes to this discussion about Herman and Helen because I actually did a study and I had access to information and I've written a book. So I know the origin of the animosity between Helen and Hermann. And by the way, Herman has gone public about it. This is where it comes from.

Number one, we know the story of Herman leaving the DA. Helen was at the center of that process that led to Herman leaving the DA. And this is what happened. Herman, as a mayor of Johannesburg, having been deployed by the DA, at some point reached a point where he was no longer on speaking terms with the national leadership of the DA. Most people

Don't know this because he refused to be controlled. So they would give him instructions and would say, No, let me give you one of the instructions that they gave him. He wanted to fire an MMC, Dagada, who was corrupt. And he went to the national leadership of the DA and said, I'm going to fire this guy. They said, wait. He said, I'm not waiting. I'm going to fire this person. Secondly, there was another MMC, a white lady also used municipal money.

Money to pay for tickets for her parents to go overseas. Herman went to the national leadership and said, I'm firing this person. They said, no, you can't. And he fired that person. He was refusing to take instructions from them. So Helen comes into the picture. She plots with the ANC that they need to remove Herman as mayor of Johannesburg. And by the way, there's a clip that went public. So Helen plotted with the ANC to remove.

DA mayor who happened to be Herman Mashaba at the time. Herman was livid when he picked up that information. So he resigned before Helen could implement her plot. He has never forgiven Helen for what she did. Essentially, Helen stabbed Herman in the back. That's what he's telling everybody, right? That she's a backstabber, she's untrustworthy. How does that play into the current dynamics where?

You know, we're sitting on the cusp of these coalitions needing to be set up. And obviously, action is a kingmaker here. Look, it's unfortunate that this animosity between Helen and Haman is at the center of these negotiations. They actually shouldn't be. The best way of approaching these talks, the way I see it, look at what.