SAfm, Wednesday evening

It is valid because remember when you talk about renewal, right? That's why I said something must end the flow, right? Right now, so what let's assume the ANC is this big, gigantic organism, a big, gigantic human being. This gigantic human being from the onset was starting to develop cancerous masses within that didn't show because he looked big and powerful. And as the years go by, the cancerous

Growth grew bigger and started to eat at the big giant. What we are viewing now as the public, we are witnessing the death of the giant from something internal. And this giant themselves is doing nothing to do to take away the internal problems. What they're doing is trying to wash the blood from the surface and then look to us as a strong being again. And so that internal work that's not being done by the AMC, its ultimate result will then.

Being an extinct party. And so the extinction must be stemmed by something and something drastic. So we can't just say we're going to elect a new leader. That's why I'm saying that's even a half measure to say just the Ramaphosa and the executive now should step down. And that's why I'm saying to the branch level, that there be no leaders and there must be a contestation of civil war proportions to the fact that now whoever comes anew knows what the death spiral looks like.

Should start leading the ANC away from that. None of them are actually trying to lead the ANC anyway at the moment. And I think that's the moment we must be looking at. If nothing drastic happens, the ANC is gone in 2029. I will have to leave it at this point. Let's all just watch and see what happens. Maybe we could be surprised. I'm an optimist, you know. So I am an optimist. Lieto, Daba, thank you so much for making time. Police.