Power FM, Tuesday evening

And he says, I'm part of the leadership of the ANC and I'm a member of the National Executive Committee. We have to take responsibility and including the top seven. And he says, if they are contemplating to resign, it is the correct position to take. Very interesting. I think this NEC that's coming up on Thursday, this Thursday, is going to be very, very interesting. Well, they talk about, especially President Ramaphosa, that democracy is maturing for South Africans.

And he's interpreting these laws and many parties coming on board as democracy maturing. But this is a vote of no confidence on the ANC. It's a vote of no confidence on the current leadership of the ANC. And democracy must not just mature for ordinary South Africans, right? This democracy must mature for everybody. It must mature for them as well to be able to say, hey, but let's step down.

We have tried, we have done our best, but this ship, Yari Krula, and we are not able to steer it in a positive direction, right? And it will be interesting because Mbeki goes on to say, nothing positive happens. It talks about the Ramaphosa president. It says, nothing positive happens. Isn't it time for the top seven to say, like President Ramaphosa seems to be saying, we can't continue to lead, having produced this negative outcome?

Of this kind. Wow. Couldn't agree with President Mbeki. I couldn't agree more. Anyway, so you'll tell me what you think in your open line, but this would be part of the discussion at 11 o'clock. But tell me what your views are because this is serious. In any normal democracy, a party that went from 45% support in 2021 to 30.7%.