Cat Caught Out, Blames Drugs! Coalition Talks Get Ugly

Commissioner Kumalo talking to Matlala. Kumalo said, I want to say this to you. Very early in this commission, we had evidence from witnesses A and B, and they told the commission about an interrogation in which you stated to them that you paid hundreds of thousands of rands to General Sibiya. We also have an affidavit of Mr. Dlamini, who says you volunteered this information to him that you paid 500,000 rand to General Sibiya. And then we have an affidavit that you signed confirming that you paid 500,000 rand to General Sibiya. Now you're sitting under oath. You want us to believe that what you said in that recording played by Witness A and B.

It was made up. What is stated here in this affidavit was made up by Ida. What you allegedly volunteered to the Commission's investigator, you were hallucinating because you were under medication, according to you. What am I supposed to make of this? Must I believe that sitting here there today, you are telling the truth? That is the last rational thought to end this whole process. It's just like you're just talking, that is the very collegial, polite way of saying.

What the f are you talking about? How do you expect us to believe anything you've said just now? It's just great. Like, at one point, Puera was like, oh, but you told Julius Malema in response to his question at ad hoc under oath that you hadn't given any money. So which one is it? Because that, because he's under oath in more than one occasion and he's got an inconsistent story, meaning he has lied, meaning perjury, meaning he is at least going to go to prison for this one. Even Judge.

For the lying and the perjury. And then he absolutely spoke about the half a million that he did give to Shadrack Sibiya. So, after all that, after all that, he did give the half mil to Shadrack Sibiya. And I just, James, I think we need to update our most going to prison leaderboard because I think Kat's back at number one. I think he's way higher than Julius Imkunazi, even at this point. He is so out in front, going to jail. There are so many things that he's definitely going to jail for at this point. Yeah, but it's also a question if he keeps doing this for every single thing.