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The full video is on biznews.com. Dulani Dormer, feared, highly influential, now on trial with a fellow spy boss for allegedly making off this 12 million from state security agency funds under false pretenses. Why the secrecy for a criminal trial? Yeah, I think you know, when it comes to intelligence, it's always a challenge because, on the one hand, you have to protect the state, you have to protect the

Programs. You have to protect the work that is being done because of the nature of the work that has been done. But your challenge is that it costs money. And that money is normally derived from the secret funds. We see it with your national security agency, but we also see it with your crime intelligence agency. You know, it is just a matter of how things work and the fact that it costs.

Money. Now, unfortunately, whenever it comes to these types of organizations, you have a balance. It's a tightrope when it comes to oversight and accountability. So, because of the work, you know, rightly or wrongly, they can hide a lot beyond secrecy and to classify things in order to hide where there are misappropriations of funds. And we've seen it in the past, we've seen

With Mgluli as far back as through 2011, 2012, and so on. And you know, if you look at the sheer amounts of money that are actually moving around and being moved within these agencies, you know, this 12 million is maybe just sort of the tip of the iceberg. It can be more. So, what you see is that these funds is there and it can be abused. It is very easy.

To do so in that secretive environment, and because of the lack of accountability when it comes to outside of the agency. So, if the agency cannot control and manage and police themselves from the inside, it is very difficult to bring in external oversight and also accountability. He was known as Mr. Zuma's, or then President Zuma's personal spy, and he was a central figure during the

So there is probably a lot more at stake here than criminal or legit criminality, Willem. Indeed, you know, and we saw that especially during the state capture era, you know, personal battles and using and also abusing these agencies for personal gain. You know, it surfaced and it became almost the norm where the agencies have been abused in order to further personal gain.