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You appear to be working there, but I don't like that for Joe Baker. I'd rather you worked with Freedom Front Class, for example. Now, that's a very critical question. Ebon Africa, we rewarded Mashaba because we knew that if he does the same replication in the city of Johannesburg, he will succeed. If he's given the mayorship like ANC did, and let me just put this before I answer the question fully. Let's not forget, guys, that the ActionSA end up as a

Mayor, because the ANC gave it to them. You see, it was the kindness of the ANC in Pretoria, not the regional guys, but the provincial guys who said to HNSA, no, no, no, no, you take the mayorship. The regional guys in Pretoria wanted to take us, because Maepa, he wanted to take that position. The province said, no, no, no, don't do this. Give it to HNSI. So HNSI was given that position out of kindness by the African National Congress. So watch this. Let's come to the city of Johannesburg. The people who wanted the same level of governance that's happening.

In Tshwane, understood that if the ANC and the DSF are able to give him and Mashaba infitted of Juan back, we might actually get the same progress that we were getting in Pretoria. Those are ActionSA voters, the democraticalized voters on the hand are very angry because they saw the success in Tshwane and they like what they saw. So they are saying, Hang on, guys, democraticalized in Joburg. Can you perhaps work with ActionSA? Because those guys are.

Clean, they fixed that city, and therefore, can you do it? The difference, though, is this: the Democratic Alliance voters are very angry with Herman because Herman so happened to raise an issue and the issue that we need to be objective when we put it in front of our table to say, guys, what is this level of hurt that Helen Zay has done to Herman Mashaba to a point that the man is so resolute that does not want to work with her? Why is it that she does not apologize? Why does she not man?

The broken relationship with Herman. Herman says, I'm hurt. You lied about me. You said a lot of things about me. You backstabbed me. I tried to work with you in Pretoria. You backstabbed me and went to the ANC. If it was not for the ANC, I would not have known because you wanted to kill me, actually, kill my party, so to speak. Do you hear this? That the voters of ActionSA and the members of Democratic Allies are not hearing his cry. Instead, they're dismissing him. They want him to bend the knee to work with Democratic.