702, Friday evening

Interesting because my sense is that Herman Mashaba started actually precisely to get to the DA. Yeah. Precisely to get to the DA because of the toxic relationship he has with that political party. And maybe to be more specific, has with certain individuals or factions within that political party, a party that he used to be a member of. But what I found very, very intriguing is.

Almost anger from certain DA supporters that Herman Mashaba has a totally different political strategy to what they thought would happen. And I keep asking myself: what are you talking about? But what was more intriguing to me and quite laughable is the idea that a smaller party shouldn't tell a party that has garnered a bigger amount of votes what to do.

Do. That's what the DA has been doing all this time. What are you talking about? That's what the DA has been doing all this time. The DA in the KwaZulu-Natal elections, the last national elections, didn't hold to that principle of saying, no, no, MK party had the greatest number of votes, therefore, they should be the ones that.

Govern. They did everything they could to form a political coalition with the IFP and the ANC until they governed. Yes. So what are you talking about? So I found that very, very interesting. But I'm interested to hear your thoughts. It appears that, of course, and Geordin Hill-Lewis have now come together to, I suppose, talk. And I think people should talk.

Man. Yes. But clearly, Herman Mashaba has serious beef with Helen Zille. In fact, he has come out to say, listen, I'm willing to drop my bid to become mayor of the city of Johannesburg if and I will support the DA if Helen Zille also exits that race. And I haven't heard much of the response really from.

DA supporters with regards to that. I imagine that many of them voted for the DA in Johannesburg because Helen Zille is the candidate and she perhaps was the reason why they would have wanted to vote for her. So any suggestion that she should vacate that race might be untenable for DA supporters. But I wonder whether this is not a

A viable compromise to say, listen, the two old geysers, Herman Mashaba and Helen Zille, perhaps need to vacate the space and allow younger leadership that has less baggage in terms of egos to run Johannesburg together. Surely that should make the DA rank and file happy because it's still the DAs.