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It's DJ Kenton Moti Hornse in the Sunda on 947 Drive Rotando. So the Matlango Commission resumed yesterday hearing testimony from Vusmuzikat Matlala, where he made serious allegations against investigators from IDAC. I mean, he claimed that there.

removed him or took him out of Cogstadt C-Max prison in the middle of the night. He claims that it was around 2 a.m. and they took him to Sheraton Hotel. Subsequently, they took him to a McDonald's near C-Max. And now he's also alleging that the 500,000 payment to suspended deputy police commissioner Shadrack Sibiya, that didn't happen. And he claims that he made that testimony while heavily medicated. Karen Moore now from News 24 joins us to make sense of it all.

A lot has been said, Karen, in the last two days. Absolutely. And remember, for Busi Musi Katmatlaila, he is facing trial over this Medicare contract and these allegations of corruption. And as part of a sort of now aborted plea deal, he'd actually agreed to give evidence against Shadrack Sibiya and Bheki Cele. We haven't got to the evidence that he would have given against Kele, but he is seeking at this point to distance himself from that statement.

That he made to IDAC, and the commission has, to the grave upset of his lawyers, now brought up the fact that he made very similar averments, if not identical averment, to its investigators about these self-same allegedly corrupt payments. I mean, he also speaks about how IDAC investigated investigators wanted him to implicate senior police officials, including Fanima Simulan, Zanzam Kwanaz, and Jumisanu Kumal. Well, we know that part of that evidence is indeed corrupt.

We know, for example, that there was a kind of hell-bent effort by IDAC to charge, and they did so, National Commissioner Fannie Masemola with PFMA violations linked to the Medicare contract. And they also charged Kumalo in separate cases, which have also been withdrawn in relation to crime intelligence. But there was never any charge against Nlatlan Kunazi. But it seems at this point that as a wily kind of operator within the criminal

Justice system, Matlala is taking full advantage of the understandable suspicion that exists against Ida to try and exonerate himself from all the very damning evidence against him and indeed the evidence he gave against the cops that he's accused of corrupting. And I mean, we've been waiting for a while to have Cat Matlala in the hot seat. But if we step back from individual allegations, what are the biggest revelations from these past two days in Matala's testimony and what do they mean for the court?

Commission's effort to establish the extent of alleged corruption in the police service? Well, he has now admitted in this last day of evidence that he paid a total of about over half a million rand, 550,000 rand to Shadrack Sibiya. He's also, in a statement that he's now withdrawn, implicated the former deputy minister of public works in serious corruption, though he's withdrawn those allegations. And I think, again, it's this intense