702, Tuesday night

Heads of department meeting. I go back to that section of our catering business and I drive for new business and I make sure when I get new customers, they are highly satisfied. I mean, is it time for our politicians to be a little less precious without any question? Yeah, and please, when I talk about toxicity, I don't mean to say it's difficult to work with these people, therefore, we are unwilling to. As a matter of fact, our stance towards coalitions is.

We must be willing to negotiate with everyone to explore which arrangements are going to produce the best arrangements for our residents in these municipalities. As a matter of fact, when we talk about toxicity, we talk about it not in terms of who we're not willing to work with, but actually in terms of what kind of agreements can be put in place that would immunize those coalitions against that toxicity so that it isn't worn by the residents of those municipalities. And as a matter of fact, there have been some political parties that say, well, we're not going to coalition.

Under these circumstances or those, the coalitions being served up by South Africans are messy. That's the reality. And politicians can't turn around and say, well, we don't like mess. Nobody likes mess. You've got to get in there and create order and stability and service delivery out of mess. And that's the political parties that voters are going to reward long term. What did voters say to you when you engage with them? And I don't just mean you, because obviously in the position you hold and alongside the senior colleagues that you would have daily conversations with, you